Comments on: Landmark “Education” and the Landmark Forum (formerly known as est)

by: A P Manners

Sun, 09 Apr 2006 12:55:54 +0000

Having been to a Landmark introduction evening, all I can say is: very scary! brainwashing and bullying and the volunteers completely mind numbily stupid. These courses are only done by those in a vulnerable state or those with more money than sense. Pay for a qualified therapist not a soulless money grabbing corporation. Landmark is bastardisation of the personal experience.

by: J.T. Schlepers

Wed, 05 Apr 2006 13:05:46 +0000

How can you prevent that a friend is going to participate in the Landmark Forum course???????
Need any answers very quickly as course starts coming weekend!!!!!!!!!

by: Landmark_scum_scam

Thu, 09 Mar 2006 04:45:52 +0000

Due to bad publicity, Landmark has had to cease operations in 3 countries in the past year: France, Sweden and Switzerland. They’re much less tolerant of cults in Europe than in North America. That’s why Scientology is having such a hard time in Germany, and in other European nations Scientology is outright banned.

All these websites are anti-Landmark in one way or another. The sheer quantity of criticism you can find on Landmark should tell you something. It certainly tells me something - to stay away!!

www.freedomofmind.com
http://www.rickross.com/reference/landmark/landmark22.html
http://caic.org.au/miscult/singer.htm
http://www.apologeticsindex.org/l30.html
http://www.metroactive.com/landmark/landmark1-9827.html
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/eldon.braun/awareness/pressmn1.htm
http://www.win.tue.nl/~aeb/secul/landmark/landmark.html
http://www.caic.org.au/psyther/landmark/landmark6.htm
http://www.ex-cult.org/Groups/Landmark/landmark-cherries.dir/_XOOM/apostate/index.htm
http://www.xs4all.nl/~anco/mental/randr/cults.htm
http://www.cultsoncampus.com/
http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/archive/index.php/t-30430.html
http://72.14.207.104/search?q=cache:VEWvSAP_RjYJ:www.myownmind.com/lmstory.cfm+%22cult+awareness%22+%2B+landmark&hl=en&gl=ca&ct=clnk&cd=36
http://newyorkmetro.com/nymetro/news/culture/features/4932/index2.html
http://members.aol.com/richinri/cults.htm
http://web.ionsys.com/~remedy/The%20Mary%20Polaski%20L%20Series.htm
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/eldon.braun/awareness/choosingx.htm
http://skepdic.com/cults.html
http://wellspringretreat.org/siren.html
http://landmarkforumsucks.tribe.net/thread/cd2d52e0-bde2-4bd1-9119-5734c439ca6a
http://landmarkforumsucks.tribe.net/thread/0754ccdc-9e11-407f-afa5-9eccb810de4b
http://www.blessedquietness.com/journal/housechu/cultlinks.htm
http://www.cyberclass.net/darks.htm
http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-links.html
http://www.google.ca/search?q=%22cult+awareness%22+%2B+landmark&hl=en&lr=&start=90&sa=N
http://it.umary.edu/Library/research/www_subjects/religions_new.html
http://www.rickross.com/
http://anthony.gnn.tv/blogs/49/Is_the_Landmark_Forum_a_Cult_or_Just_a_Great_Way_to_Make_Friends_and_Influence_People
http://www.xs4all.nl/~anco/mental/randr/kirk.htm
http://www.discovervancouver.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=69339
http://www.factnet.org/discus/messages/1/391.html?1130885863
http://veganporn.com/documents.pl?mode=show&docid=1052274815&forumid=1010
http://www.xs4all.nl/~anco/mental/randr/benmac.htm
http://www.religionnewsblog.com/search.php?all=landmark&execute=go&sort=score
http://www.holysmoke.org/cos/landmark-scientology-danger.htm
http://chirotalk.proboards3.com/index.cgi?board=stateprotest&action=display&thread=1117771510&page=1
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=1018969
http://www.bookrags.com/history/popculture/est-sjpc-02/
http://www.liquidtodd.com/news/newsandviews/news_archive1.html
http://www.infosekta.ch/is5/gruppen/lm_schaaf1994.html
http://atheism.about.com/b/a/167334.htm
http://www.law.com/jsp/article.jsp?id=1136838328818
http://www.yehoodi.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=74793&
http://www.rickross.com/reference/landmark/landmark91.html
http://www.culticstudiesreview.org/csr_articles/kronberg_robert.htm
http://www.beyondrobson.com/city/2006/01/heard_of_landmark_forum_you_will/
http://www.freelists.org/archives/austechwriter/03-2004/msg00144.html
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=11030&forum=22
http://fish.blogs.com/thecarrot/2005/09/are_we_there_ye.html
http://www.brewedfreshdaily.com/archives/2005/03/hat_trick_from.html
http://mividaentoronto.blogspot.com/2005/07/i-am-now-more-convinced-that-landmark.html
http://www.badbusinessbureau.com/reports/ripoff85995.htm
www.cults.co.nz
http://www.caic.org.au/zentry1.htm
http://www.cultinformation.org.uk/links.html
http://www.stetson.edu/~psteeves/relnews/destructivesects.html
http://www.ex-cult.org/
http://cftf.com/french/Les_Sectes_en_France/cults.html (French)
http://www.tolc.org/bmnet.htm (UK)
http://www.agpf.de/Landmark.htm (German)
http://www.bloomington.in.us/~lgthscac/
http://religiousmovements.lib.virginia.edu/cultsect/mdtaskforce/cultsoncampus_loomis.htm

by: Landmark sucks

Wed, 08 Mar 2006 23:16:33 +0000

Landmark is a mind-rotting cult of greed.

Don’t go unless you want to end up a robot.

by: I don't like cults

Sat, 04 Mar 2006 03:13:32 +0000

Landmark Forum is:
*a brainwashing seminar
*a pyramid scheme (legal because the labor is volunteered)
*group pressure/peer pressure
*skilled at harrasement
*a ‘targeted marketing coorperation’ (believe it, those are their own words!)
*going to target YOU
*a neighborhood nightmare
*a social epidemic
*yes it IS a cult for the enthusiastic
*empty rhetoric
*a salesman that YOU pay to solicite YOU
*secretly writting down any information you share during the forum in order to solicite you in the future
*full of real estate agents, car salesmen, loan officers, travel agents and more who are WATCHING YOU (and taking notes)- don’t worry they’ll introduce themselves as new friends at a later date once they know what your interests are. They are the ones who will help you purchase, oops I mean realize your true potential
*not your friend
*bastardized philosophy and social science
*scripted
*owned by the former board members of EST
*a more ‘polished’ and up to date version of EST
*required to have you sign a consent release form because of all those messy suicide lawsuits back in the seventies and eighties during the EST version
*not therapy
*sneaky
*insidious
*a snake oil salesman with a friendly face
*full of —— (fill in the blank) rhetorical logic riddled word games that give you that warm ‘I got it!’ feeling
*a really bad idea
*a family and friend ‘divider’ not ‘uniter’
*encouraging spouses NOT to tell their spouses what happened during the seminar
*a really really expensive weekend, or more
*psycologically dangerous
*full of feel good fluff
*full of feel bad stuff
*wants you, your family, your friends, and your friends friends to sign up
*wants YOU to recruit them, free of charge- because intra personal relationships are the marketing mechanism of the future, oops, I mean TODAY
*a class rate con job
*not an accredited educational organization
*affects more people then you would ever guess
*fools 90% of them- and that’s good business
*an amazing business model because they pay NO ONE except the ‘Leader’ and owners and venue. Imagine that ‘Leader’ walking away with $10,000-$30,000 a weekend.
*definetely not harmless psycobabble
*programs devotees to use Landmark jargon which creates a covert Landmark sales pitch that they will consciously and subconsciously use everyday on everyone they know
*lying to you
*using fancy diagrams
*and confusion
*profiling you from the moment you walk in the door
*going to give you a name tag with a secret profile number 1-5 in order to best ‘market’ you
*may be government sponsored or condoned in order to help keep the economy spending in these trouble times (because dollar bills don’t do uncle sam any good getting stale under the mattress)
*feels like church, gone to HELL
*not going out of business any time soon
*a business designed for salespeople to circumvent the national “Do not call list”
*going to get your phone number and keep calling, and calling, and calling, and calling you
*MINDCONTROL- and no, it does not require wires or implants- just changing someones choice of words is how they start the snowball rolling
*did I mention a really REALLY bad idea to get involved with?

Open yourself to the possibility that con-men can wear nice suits and shiny shoes too. Remember that you are not allowed to take notes (but the salespeople in the back of the room are). Rackets? Lets keep the discussion on YOUR rackets, not Landmarks please. If you leave to go the bathroom you might break the trance of confusion and group brainwash, so you’d better return to your seat at once if you want to get ‘it’. They just want to help you have a ‘clearing’. When your wallet is thoroughly cleared and the real estate agent, I mean new ‘friend’, has sold you a condemned building in the bad part of town that no one else wants, then you will truly know you’ve gotten ‘it’. You may proceed to the next level. Sign here. Oh, and open your wallet please.

by: Larry

Fri, 24 Feb 2006 14:21:08 +0000

So dude, what’s your point? That link is about how Landmark had to drop its suit against Rick Ross.

by: Steve

Fri, 24 Feb 2006 04:04:08 +0000

I have just completed the landmark forum. It was one of the most amazing experiences Ive ever had. I currnetly plan to be involved in it a very long time. Anyone who has looked at the Rick Ross link needs to see this : http://www.religionnewsblog.com/13089

by: Guy

Fri, 17 Feb 2006 20:54:14 +0000

I too disagree with you stating that no one should attend the forum. I’ve been part of this work called Landmark Education since March of 2003 and I owe so much of my current life and thoughts to this program alone. Before I did this work my world seemed cloudy even on the brightest day. When I saw that the past ten years of my life I alone created and the found proof everywhere in my life to make my story true. The moment I could see this I was freed in a way I could never imagine. I look at my life today and every moment I’m wowed by how beautiful everything has become. I can’t remember the last time I felt real anger or stress, that most people deal with on a daily basis. Not because the same things don’t occur, but because who I’m being that deals with these things differently. I would promote this education to anyone, if they don’t get any benefit from it I would be surprised. I have heard that some people experience emotional “discomfort”, but often times these people are not there by free will and were forced into the situation when they were unprepared for such an experience.

I think overall Landmark just enables you to look at a situation in life and take it from many different perspectives that you could not see before and actually choose which perspective or reality you want to live into. Kind of like the matrix really. I have sent many people there and everyone has come back with life and joy. I can see the difference it is making in my life and theirs. I can’t wait till this education spreads, especially into the middle east. This will only bring people to a better understanding of themselves and others and in my opinion there is no greater thing then being able to point the finger at yourself to find truth. Landmark just puts everyone on the level. Religon can’t do that and it only seperates us more and more. We need a common ground if we ever want a peaceful world.

Guy

by: Taylor

Wed, 08 Feb 2006 17:21:40 +0000

It seems a bit harsh to me that you advise all people to not attend. I challenge you to name one program or organization that has produced life-changing results for people that doesn’t have its flaws and/or critics. I was introduced to Landmark 1.5 years ago during a time when my life was in a major rut. Landmark promised that if I completed their Curriculum for Living, I would be “living life powerfully and living a life I loved.”

Guess what? I am. I now have an amazing job and am doing things I didn’t think I had the courage/ability to do. My life does not revolve around Landmark, and it has not strained old friendships. In fact, it has helped me to mend broken relationships and expand my social circle. My friends and family love that I’ve broken out of old patterns. And the cost of the classes is nothing compared to the money I’ve made from applying their lessons.

I’m not saying that Landmark is for everyone, and I’m not saying I always agree with its methods. It’s not a substitute for therapy. People with mental illness should not attend. People who aren’t ready to confront their past should not attend. People not willing to have their life turned upside down shouldn’t come either. But, for healthy people who want to confront their emotional baggage and receive coaching while they work to transform their lives, it’s a great option.

Taylor